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Leeds United must give Aidy a fair deal - Ormsby
Leeds United legend Brendan Ormsby answers your questions.
Hi Brendan.
Aidy White’s future hasn’t been sorted yet and you fear he might be the next home-grown player to leave Leeds. What do you think?
JOHN, the Leeds fan.
I find it really sad when home-grown players leave the club.
It is especially so for those who don’t really want to go. I came through my home-town club, Aston Villa, and was lucky enough to sign on as a schoolboy and later become a pro.
I was there for 12 or 13 years in total.
I’m sure if Aidy got himself a good deal, he’d stay. Like every other player, he’s obviously trying to get the best deal he can for himself.
He’ll probably have heard what the other players are on and while he’s not going to get what the top boys are getting yet, he’s still young and can prove himself.
You never want to price yourself out of things, but you have also got to look after yourself.
I’ve always rated Aidy and said he’s a good player and one for me who can only get better with more games.
Of all the left-backs I’ve seen at Leeds over the past few years, I’d put Aidy above all of them.
Home-grown players always give their all for their club. You see a lot of players going on loan to clubs and kissing the badge and all that. But clubs don’t usually mean anything to them; they are often only there for a month or so in order to put themselves in the shop window.
The local lads know more about what the derbies are about as well. It was like me when I played for Villa against Birmingham. Because I was a local lad and a lot of my mates were Blues fans, I knew how much it meant to them and to me.
Ben Parker’s another home-grown lad and he’s now gone to Carlisle on loan. I saw Ben a while ago and while I would never tell young lads what to do about their careers, I did say: ‘You’ve got to be playing football’.
Bench
Some players just want to sit on the bench and pick up the money; as long as they are with a big club.
Those who have anything about them want to be playing football week-in, week-out.
It’s all very well being at a big club, but often when you are in the reserves, no-one wants to know you.
In the game, sometimes you have got to look after yourself. When you are not in the team and things are looking bleak you have to move on.
Managers look after themselves, as do chairmen and players, that’s what football is all about.
They say you have no friends in football and sometimes it’s true.
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original koppite
Monday, January 30, 2012 at 03:22 PMYorkie..The days when I spent hours shuffling bits of paper from my in tray to my out tray for my daily bread have long since gone and I have no desire to relive those days pouring over LUFCs accounts which I would need to do if I wanted to discuss it's finer points with you. I will thereforeconfine my activities to supporting the club and it's management against muppets who criticise it when they haven't a clue what they are talking about. Business has to involve making decisions which can make you or lose you money. No-one gets them all right. So the management got a decision wrong or maybe they didn't and as you don't know the circumstances surrounding that decision how can you pass judgement? According to the press we are breaking even which is better than the vast majority of clubs who are losing tens of millions so I am content that the club is being kept to a standard that would make it an attractive buy to an investor. Furthermore development of the ground doesn't detract from that attraction if anything it adds to it. It seems that some of the numpties on here would criticise everyone and everything as is demonstrated by the criticism of Dougherty, owner of the Florests, who, despite him pouring tens of millions of his own money into the club is criticised in this article....You don't know if Pappa has put his own money into the club. You don't know the circumstances surrounding the financing of the Gradel deal, the money has to be kept in some form of currency and maybe the were edging their exposure ensuring whihever currency slipped they wouldn't be overexpose..I don't know and neither do you so I am saying do not criticise when you are not in the know of the facts. Too many people who mistakenly call themselves supporters of LUFC have taken a position regarding Bates and are bending missinformation, half truths and downright lies to justify that position. This does not help the club in fact it is damaging. Finally If Pappa wanted to put more money into the club I'm sre he would but no-one can demand that of him and as Leicester and Ipswich are finding, and PP found before them, spending money doesn't guarantee success.
Yorkshire Lad
Monday, January 30, 2012 at 01:35 AMnumber 22....... originalkoppite. Here you go again about Bates's sound business sense. Yet, you refuse to listen to logic and FACTS. He is not running LU in a sound way, his loss making YR shows that. Having to sell players to put the club in the black (see club accounts). N ow we hear that we sold Gradel in Euro's and have lost 7% of that transfer fee (this would have more than paid for Lonergans fee). Yes, koppite sounds like Harvey and Bates know their business ? Other UK businesses put in safeguards so that they don't lose out on a currency exchange. Our wage negotiating strategy is pathetic. Two of the clubs best players, Gradel and Howson, have both been sold well below their market value. Didn't we turn down over £3 million for Gradel and let him go for £1.7m ? By the way, why doesn't Bates do what other owners do and put some of his own money into LUFC ? Her has never put a single penny in ! I remember when Leslie Silver used his own money to purchase Ian Snodin. Again, your sound business sense is lost when we spent £7 million on corporate boxes, and they can't be sold. Wouldn't that money have guaranteed promotion this season if spent on players ?? Surely, the prospect of PL football next season and a windfall of £60m far outways a few corporate boxes. koppite you really are a clueless clown.
original koppite
Sunday, January 29, 2012 at 11:57 PMBecause of the money swilling around in the PL If Everton or Bolton want White they'll get him and what is our alternative? To run up a debt which may or may not prove a sound gamble and come off which is exactly what PP did. So is any true fan seriously advocating we go down that route again?...Yorky...Because it would involve a futile trawl through the books, until god tells me I'll live for a thousand years, I'm not willing to discuss the company accounts with anyone. I don't know Bates and have no wish to know him but the club belongs to him and the reported state of the finances indicate he is running it without risking it's future. I don't know the answer to the riddle of how we get the club back to where it was before PP ruined it and I suspect, while-ever the game stays as it is it isn't an option but Bates, either because he doesn't want to spend his money or, more probably because he doesn't have sufficient money to compete with the top clubs, is running the club as any sensible person would run it, by maximising income and spending what is earned. So the numpties who, in the hope of improving the team, are advocating fans shouldn't spend money at ER to attack Bates and cause him to spend more on the club are on a fools errand and risk proposing a policy that will damage the club with no chance of making it better....The fact is that the problems faced by the club are caused by the existance and financing of the PL which is an exclusive club that requires anyone wanting to join to have squillions to throw into the black hole of footballs crazy finances and though getting into the PL would increase our income it would also increase our need to spend and as the teams who are habitually fighting relegation from the PL have found the amount they need to spend puts your club tens or hundreds of millions in debt without competing at the top, the sense of wanting to join has to be questioned.
doorjimmy
Sunday, January 29, 2012 at 10:21 PMas a goole white for the past 40 years i couldn't resist going along to boothferry park,oooops kc stadium and watch a 4th round fa cup tie on my week off.sat among the crawley fans i couldn't help but notice one or two crawley players who would easily get in our current team.their keeper scott shearer pulled off a number of fine saves,dean howell,claude davis solid in defence.midfielders torres and mills created while stifling out the opposition.up front new loan signing sanchez watt provided pace and skill.matt tubbs harried and chased before hitting home the winning goal.after quizzing the crawley fan sat alongside,he informed me the clubs board are willing to pay good money to bring in quality signings to achieve back to back promotions.if our own performances on the field don't improve we may be adding them to our away days next season.i'm waiting with baited breadth for a bank breaking loan signing as our boards statement of intent.perhaps tevez lol
OzTyke
Sunday, January 29, 2012 at 08:17 PMAh yes, here we go again. I hope I am wrong, but White's imminent departure just follows the same BatesHarvey pattern. Make one lousy contract renewal offer and subsequently fail to NEGOTIATE with the player. Then when an offer comes in, tell the world that the player turned down the contract and the sale was good for the club. Good for Bates you mean. I see that Alan Smith has signed for MK Dons. I wish Smithy well down there, but this is an abject failure by Bates and Harvey to show any ambition and creativity whatsoever. Smith is a Leeds lad, he would have loved to return I am sure. His wages demands apparently weren't excessive, and surely even people with proven limited intelligence can formulate a player contract which factors in things like fitness tests and appearances? Oh hang on, probably not. Did LUFC even approach Smith or his agent, or NUFC at any stage? It would have been so easy to get Smithy back into the fold, and if it didn't work out it needn't have been a costly exercise. At worst, it would have got the fans talking and interested in actually going to ER again. Who'd go to see whether Smithy still had what it takes? I know I would. Okay it might not have been a success, but what if it DID work? We might never know but I'll be spewing if we see Smithy ripping it up at Milton Keynes. Such a wasted opportunity, well done Harvey and Williams, we'll just get excited over Brown then. Incompetent clowns the lot of them. MOT
Brain
Sunday, January 29, 2012 at 07:21 PMThe problem lies with Grayson. He sends the best young players out on loan when they could be developing in the first team. The team should have been built around Lees, Parker and White instead of the succession of proven failures Grayson continues to wheel in. Good coaches should be able to develop and improve young players. Grayson and team seem incapable of getting players to achieve past levels of performance - O'Brien, Brown and Rachubka being the best examples.
Neil1964
Sunday, January 29, 2012 at 01:03 PMYorkshirelad. Good comments. I want to say don`t drop to his abysmal insulting standards....but on this occasion.... nice one.
LeedsBulldog
Sunday, January 29, 2012 at 12:50 PMComment 8 "true supporters who support" - thats rich coming from you! yer' aving' a larf aincha? -comment 6Steviedee VERY well stated AND true! MOT 4 EVA WHEREVER WHENEVER WHATEVER!!
Yorkshire Lad
Sunday, January 29, 2012 at 01:20 AMoriginalkoppite, you really must be as dumb as you sound in this column. Bates HAS NOT put any money in LU, he admitted that in the High Court in 2009 ! Doesn't your feeble brain digest information, or just the crap that Bates spouts. To say he runs the club well, again, misinformation by you ! If you have ever read the club accounts since 2007, you will see that LU only makes a profit through player sales, NOT by running the club on a sound financial footing as you suggest. I notice ypou never mention the £1.6 million that Bates has lost through his propaganda machine, Yorkshire Radio. Who foots the bill for that loss........ yep LUFC, plus it's is still losing £600k a year. He is putting more money in YR than into player purchases !! Yeh, sounds like sounds business sense ??? Again, who paid the £100,000 of pounds for the court cases that Bates had to fight over liable ? Yup, LUFC, just because Bates can't keep his big mouth shut. Get real koppite, or should I call you Bates or Harvey, you are not a real supporter, you are actually like Bates, you don't put any money into LU because you DO NOT attend LU games. You are really are a pathetic individual who can only call people names on here, and cannot put fporward a reasonable debate. If you think you can, then answer the points I have made about the club's finances. Thois isn't the first timne that I have put that to you, but, no doubt your response will be the same as before....... NOTHING ! Get a life you SADDO, and try going to ER to then formulate opinions on what you see, not what you hear in your local boozer ! Which boozer is it ? The Commercial that Lorimer runs by any chance ?? You clown !
Cumbrian White
Saturday, January 28, 2012 at 11:20 PMex Kopper post Number 10 - As i was saying earlier i really am not a Ken Bates Supporter but it just worries me that if we dont keep supporting the team and purchasing tickets for our home games then he will just sell our better players and then we will end up in Division 3 again. Then even less fans would come through the turnstiles and the club would suffer. I really don't think he cares about anything but money i just hope that we get to the premier league and he sells the club. I really don't know what else we can do but support our team all i know is if we don't it would probably mean relegation and administration again . I really never want our fantastic club to ever go through that again - MOT
December 68
Saturday, January 28, 2012 at 08:36 PMFirst time on here, been a fan since December 1968, We have not just become a very poor side, this current poor run started at the beginning of 2011 and has continued since. In the early weeks of this season, other than the Hull, Doncaster and Forest games, even when we won games we have not played well. By the time December came our form was nothing short of pathetic. The manager seems to have lost sections of the dressing room and the fans.(but not the chairman) Whatever happened with O'Brien, that's when the rot set in. Since then we are a shadow of the poor side we already were before then. We are a rudderless ship from the chairman down. Aiden White's contract runs out this summer. He turned down the clubs first derisory offer a few weeks ago. As yet the club have not even been back to him with a new offer or for talks. As he is under 24 the club would receive compensation from any club who decide to sign him. Take it as a fact that Everton and Arsenal are watching him. This great club of OURS is slowly being strangled by an overwhelming lack of ambition. Our better players leave and are replaced with loans, freebies, wannabies and neverwilbies. A chairman who, in his own mind is never wrong about anything. The gates are falling, fans deserting faster than an Italian cruise ship captain. In his latest address Chairman Ken yet again droll's on about Leicester, Ipswich, Middlesbrough and the money they all spend and it getting them nowhere. Well Ken, nowhere is where we are heading for, in fact we have arrived at nowhere and that's where we will stay until you swallow your pride, admit you got some things wrong and that every effort will be made to get the fans on side, the team playing a brand of football befitting this great club and the money it costs to watch it. As of next Friday you will also be competing against the Rhino's. £20 a game, stand if you prefer, take your pint to your seat or where you stand, a cracking atmosphere, just as it once was at Elland Road. Right now Ken the 2 most important things you have are your ears. Its time you started to use them.
leedsforever
Saturday, January 28, 2012 at 08:04 PMTo hell with it lets all stay away and not buy anything that will line Bates pocket.... oh hang on what happens then???? NO CLUB. Demonstrations if you feel you need to.... support the club and team for 90 mins a resounding YES!!! To me SG is doing a good job with what he has available to him, however he does need to bring a defensive coach in. Poster's on here go on about him being Bates puppet.... I didn't realise you sat in on their meetings and know what they discuss? SG loves Leeds and to that I admire...he hurts as much as we all do when things don't go the way we want them to.
RichC
Saturday, January 28, 2012 at 07:30 PMWhite is going to Bolton.
luvmeteam
Saturday, January 28, 2012 at 03:44 PMSome people seem to think we should be forever grateful to bates for buying the club,while relieved he did so, if he does not have the funds to move the club forward then he needs to step aside.Money must be his only reason for buying it in the first place and the only reason he hangs on to it now,for he had no affection for leeds when at chelsea as i remember.
white rainbow
Saturday, January 28, 2012 at 03:35 PMCumbrian White - We would attract a new buyer because of the fantastic fan base ( proven over many years ) - why do you think Ken Bates got involved - more's the pity ,
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